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Episode image is a detail from the cover of the London Mini Atlas, published in 1993 by Nicholson
For the 68th Second Hand Book Factory, Charles Adrian is joined by radio producer, carer, stand-up comic and empath Lolie Ware. They discuss the introduction of the elbow, unsuitable jobs for women and the importance of paper maps in an age of smart phones.
More information about Lolie and what she is up to can be found here.
The Tempest by William Shakespeare is discussed in Page One 9.
P. D. James died a week after this episode was recorded. You can read an obituary here.
Another book by P. D. James, Cover Her Face, is discussed in Page One 63.
London Mini Atlas published by Nicholson is also discussed in Page One 179.
This episode has been edited to remove music that is no longer covered by licence for this podcast.
This episode features a jingle written for the podcast by the band Friends Of Friends.
A transcript of this episode is below.
Episode released: 3rd February, 2015.
Book listing:
The Complete Works of William Shakespeare by William Shakespeare
An Unsuitable Job For A Woman by P. D. James
London Mini Atlas published by Nicholson
Links:
Announcement of P. D. James’ death in the Guardian
Guardian obituary of P. D. James
Episode transcript:
Charles Adrian
Hello and welcome to the 92nd Page One. This is the 68th Second Hand Book Factory. I'm Charles Adrian and my guest today is Lolie Ware.
Jingle
You're listening to Page One, the book podcast.
Charles Adrian
Um...
Lolie Ware
This is all really exciting.
Lolie and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
This is immensely exciting for me because I've never recorded one of my podcasts in an actual studio.
Lolie Ware
[indistinct] There you go.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] This is... So... Because I used to do... So, just for my listeners' benefit—some of you will know, some of you won't—I used to record this for London Fields Radio and we were in a cafe so it was a little bit like this setup but this is the first time I've been in an actual... I mean, this is a radio studio. You broadcast from here.
Lolie Ware
Yes, that's right. Every morning in my night dress.
Charles Adrian
Amazing.
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] Just don't tell anyone.
Lolie and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
Well, when you're on the radio you can wear what you like. That's the joy of it.
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] I know. Well, the cat likes it. So...
Charles Adrian
[laughs] And so... Lolie. Hello.
Lolie Ware
Hello. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] I should say ‘welcome’. Thank you so much for... I mean, normally I would say ‘thank you for coming’. Thank you for inviting me to your house...
Lolie Ware
It's an absolute pleasure.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] ... and to your studio. How would you you describe yourself?
Lolie Ware
I would describe myself as a carer, stand-up comic, empath and lover of music.
Charles Adrian
Oh, I like the word empath.
Lolie Ware
Yes,
Charles Adrian
That's... I mean, it sounds like something from Brave New World or something.
Lolie Ware
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
[laughing] You know, like a category of human being but I think that's... that's wonderful.
Lolie Ware
Yeah, no, I do. ‘Empath’ because I'm... Not that I'm touchy-feely. I'm more feely-feely. So if someone is in a bad mood in my vicinity...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Yes. Uh huh.
Lolie Ware
... I feel it and run in the opposite direction, unless I'm willing to deal with it. So.
Charles Adrian
Yeah, okay. I... I've experienced that as well. I know that feeling, yeah,
Lolie Ware
Yeah. So, yeah. And apparently... I read a very interesting article that it's actually a thing,
Charles Adrian
Oh, really. Uh huh?
Lolie Ware
Yes. Heightened emotions and empath and... Being all of that is actually a category now, which I didn't realise.
Charles Adrian
Well, that's great.
Lolie Ware
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
Thank you for letting me know that.
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] I know.
Charles Adrian
I'm going to add that to... I'm something of an empath. [laughs]
Lolie Ware
Yes. Well, they said, ‘Honestly, don't be afraid of it. This is what happens.’ So, you just need to do stu... Sometimes you need to do stuff to protect yourself—not to get too deep and metaphorical about it—but just protecting yourself from other people's bad moods, which I personally think is a brilliant thing to do anyway. [laughs] So yeah.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] It's wonderful. As you're running away you can say, ‘It's not you, it's me. I'm an empath.’
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] ‘Me!’ Officially.
Lolie and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Lolie Ware
I have the certificate.
Charles Adrian
Oh lovely. Well, wonderful. And... So. And I know you through comedy but now, obviously, I'm on your... So I was going to say I was on your payroll but you don't pay me.
Lolie Ware
No. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
[laughing] I'm on...
Lolie Ware
It's more of a collective. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
[laughing] Yes.
Lolie Ware
A collective of artists.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] I'm a member of your collective now...
Lolie Ware
Yes.
Charles Adrian
... and I'm enjoying that so much. I'm so grateful to you for letting me do that.
Lolie Ware
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
We'll probably talk more about that. Maybe, yeah, we can plug a bit at the end of the podcast.
Lolie Ware
Yeah. For sure.
Charles Adrian
But what is the book that you like? What have you brought?
Lolie Ware
Well, my first book is William Shakespeare. The Complete Works.
Charles Adrian
Right.
Lolie Ware
The brick.
Charles Adrian
And I'm very pleased that that's... you've chosen that as your first book rather than the book that you're giving to me.
Lolie Ware
Yes. Well...
Charles Adrian
I don't want to take it away with me.
Lolie Ware
... no. The one I've got for you is a bit special. As well as this. They, kind of, work hand in hand. This book I've had now for—would you believe—eleven years.
Charles Adrian
[interested] Uh huh.
Lolie Ware
And I've had it because when I was at film school studying direction I had to do a short film to, you know, pass. As you do. And I decided to do a five-minute adaptation of Much Ado About Nothing.
Charles Adrian
Wow, that's ambitious.
Lolie Ware
So... Yeah, this was my baby and I carried it around. Hence why I'm a bit hunched.
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Lolie Ware
Because anyone who knows it is... you know, it... But this book, it reminds me of dreams gone by for the simple reason that there's lots of highlighted pink lines in it and for every highlighted pink line was the dream and the aspiration to either become Kenneth Branagh or marry him, and I'm...
Charles Adrian
It's not too late, Lolie.
Lolie Ware
I know.
Charles Adrian
Don't talk as if that's all over.
Lolie Ware
I know, well, it's not. I, you know, stalk him on a regular basis.
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Lolie Ware
But the short film itself I got a first for.
Charles Adrian
Oh, congratulations.
Lolie Ware
And The Royal Shakespeare Company saw it and said that they loved it. So that was really good. And the wonderful Dickie Darling also watched it as well because I harassed him in Richmond. So I was very, very proud of it. So it's, kind of, a story gone past of my own, in a way, if that makes sense.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Yeah. Oh lovely. Why don't you read...? So read the first page—whatever you've decided the first page of that is going to be.
Lolie Ware
I decided that the first page would actually be the contents and it's the paragraph at the end:
In this volume the plays are arranged in the chronological order of their composition. Naturally, no claim to finality is made in a subject to [sic] beset with difficulties but the sequence may be taken as fairly representing the general results of recent research. The time-honoured division into comedies, histories and tragedies dating from the First Folio and since universally followed has been abandoned in the belief that there were room and need for an edition that should enable readers to approach the body of the plays not as a static monument of achievement but as a vital growing organism revealing the evolution of the poet's personality and genius.
Charles Adrian
[appreciative] Mmm.
Lolie Ware
There you go.
Charles Adrian
Interesting. Yeah. Yeah.
Lolie Ware
Yeah. So the first paragraph.
Charles Adrian
Lovely. Thank you so much.
Lolie Ware
That's all right.
Charles Adrian
And I love the story that goes with it. I would love to see that film.
Lolie Ware
I will have to dig it out for you.
Charles Adrian
Yeah.
Lolie Ware
For sure. Definitely.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] We should put it online and we can make links.
Lolie Ware
Yes. It was....
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] And people can watch it
Lolie Ware
It was online quite a few years ago.
Charles Adrian
Okay.
Lolie Ware
And I did it as a homage to William Shakespeare in the way that I brought it right up to date because I love the fact that the word ‘elbow’ came from him.
Charles Adrian
No! I didn't know that.
Lolie Ware
Yes. And ‘eyeball’.
Charles Adrian
I think I must have known about ‘eyeball’. I didn't know he invented ‘elbow’.
Lolie Ware
’Elbow’. And my favourite speech is where Benedict has stood there—and I love in Much Do About Nothing with Kenneth Branagh when he's stood there—and he's just been in the bushes...
Charles Adrian
[laughing] Right.
Lolie Ware
... and he turns around and says, ‘She loves me. But why?’
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Lolie Ware
And it's the eternal question: ‘Why would anybody love me?’
Charles Adrian
Yeah.
Lolie Ware
And that's what I love about the play so much.
Charles Adrian
Yeah. Oh, wonderful. Let's listen to the first track that you have suggested. So this is by Passenger, who I thought was an 80s band but turns out to be [laughing] someone making music at the moment.
Lolie Ware
[laughs] Yeah, he's been around for about ten years but...
Lolie and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Lolie Ware
He's a busker. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
Okay, I think I must... I must be thinking of someone else and I can't think who...
Lolie Ware
Are you thinking about Iggy Pop and the Passenger?
Charles Adrian
No. I'm probably thinking... Voyager? Was there a band called Voyager?
Lolie Ware
There might have been a... There could be a Voyager, yes.
Charles Adrian
It was some... Anyway, I don't know who I'm thinking of. But this is... So: Passenger and Golden Thread.
Music
[Golden Thread by Passenger]
Charles Adrian
So that was Golden Thread by Passenger. Thank you for introducing me to that, [laughing] Lolie.
Lolie Ware
That's all right.
Lolie and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
I feel brought up to date now. Now, my book for you. Now, I didn't... I had no idea what you would like. I had no sense of what I might be able to give you that you would like and I... And, I mean, there are lots of books... The thing is... I mean, I often say this: There are lots of books that I just won't give anybody because [laughing] they're too precious to me and they're usually the books that I like the most. And so I might have given you one of those. But what I... Instead, what I thought was: I know that one of the ways in which you're like me is that you enjoy spending a lot of time at home. I think you feel quite comfortable at home, no?
Lolie Ware
Definitely. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
And I'm like that. I like to be at home. And so I was thinking, ‘Okay, when I'm at home what kinds of things do I like to read if I'm tucked up on my couch?’ And I love reading whodunits.
Lolie Ware
[gasps]
Charles Adrian
It's a big passion of mine.
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] Oh, yeah.
Charles Adrian
I love it. And I love... I mean, not just reading whodunits. I love listening to them on the radio. I love watching them on the television. I just... I love whodunits. But I really love curling up on the couch and reading a whodunit. And so I've picked... I really like P. D. James. She's one of my favourites. Do you know P. D. James?
Lolie Ware
I don't. I don't. So you'll have to elaborate a little bit more for me.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] She's... She's still writing—she's still publishing—but she must have started publishing... in the 60s or 70s is my guess. This is published in 1972, I think. Yeah, 1972 first published. So... And that's... I mean, one of the other things I love about whodunits is you often get a little snapshot of a period of time when it was written because they're often quite descriptive about the situation of...
Lolie Ware
That's right.
Charles Adrian
... a town or of a place or the way people interact with each other. Because those things are all very, very important, aren't they, to the unravelling of the mystery.
Lolie Ware
Yep.
Charles Adrian
And so you get... in this you get a little snapshot of 1970s Britain. It starts in London...
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] Oh, fabulous.
Charles Adrian
... and then they're in Cambridge. And it's... She normally... Her detective is Dalgleish—who is this, kind of, poet detective—but in this one the detective is a woman called Cordelia Gray. I think that's right. Gray. Yes, Cordelia Gray. And I love her. I think she's great. I think she's a really good character. And there weren't that many... She didn't write that many books with Cordelia Gray. I don't know why. I think she just... she prefers Dalgleish. But I really like... I like the way she writes. She's very... She's a little bit pedantic and it can be... she's... she can be a little bit ponderous but I like... She's very... She has a very calm way of, sort of, going from one sentence to another sentence. And so I really like this. I... Yeah. Let's see. You may or may not like it but I enjoy it.
Lolie Ware
Oh, I'm looking forward to it.
Charles Adrian
So this is the first page:
CHAPTER ONE
On the morning of Bernie Pryde's death – or it may have been the morning after, since Bernie died at his own convenience, nor did he think the estimated time of his departure worth recording – Cordelia was caught in a breakdown of the Bakerloo line outside Lambeth North and was half an hour late at the office. She came up from Oxford Circus underground into the bright June sunshine, sped past the early morning shoppers scanning the windows of Dickins and Jones and plunged into the cacophony of Kingly Street, threading her way between the blocked pavement and the shining mass of cars and vans which packed the narrow street. The hurry she knew was irrational, a symptom of her obsession with order and punctuality. There were no appointments booked; no clients to be interviewed; no case outstanding; not even a final report to be written. She and Miss Sparshott, the temporary typist, at Cordelia's suggestion were circulating information about the Agency to all the London solicitors in the hope of attracting custom; Miss Sparshott would probably be busy with it now, eyes straying to her watch, tapping out her staccato irritation at every minute of Cordelia's lateness. She was an unprepossessing woman with lips permanently taut as if to prevent the protruding teeth from springing from her mouth, a receding chin with one coarse hair which grew as quickly as it was plucked, and fair hair set in stiff corrugated waves. That chin and mouth seemed to Cordelia the living refutation that all men are born equal and she tried from time to time to like and sympathize with Miss Sparshott, with a life lived in bed-sitting rooms, measured in the five-penny pieces fed to the gas stove and circumscribed by fell seams and hand hemming. For Miss Sparshott was a skilled dressmaker, an assiduous attender at...
Lolie Ware
Brilliant.
Charles Adrian
Mystery. [laughs]
Lolie Ware
What a fabulous descriptive piece. That's lovely.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] It's lovely. And Miss Sparshott isn't even a particularly important character in this novel. There's just... She just takes the time to do that so... We need to be able to see all of these people.
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] That's lovely. I love books like that. I'm going to really look forward to reading that. Yeah, no, it looks fantastic.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] I hope so.
Lolie Ware
She looks brilliant at the back as well, doesn't she?
Charles Adrian
Yeah, she's got a great face.
Lolie Ware
I love it when they put the pictures on.
Charles Adrian
Yes,
Lolie Ware
And I love the pea-soup green as well.
Charles Adrian
Oh, it's gorgeous, isn't it? Of the cover? Mmm
Lolie Ware
It is! It's just lovely.
Charles Adrian
Yes, I think it's a really nice edition.
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] An Unsuitable Job for a Woman.
Charles Adrian
Oh, didn't I tell you that that's what it was called?
Lolie Ware
No. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
Yes, that's the title. Isn't that a wonderful title? [laughs]
Lolie Ware
That is per... I think that suits me down to the ground.
Charles Adrian
[laughing] Yes,
Lolie Ware
That is absolutely perfect.
Charles Adrian
Running a radio station is very much an unsuitable job for a woman.
Lolie Ware
Yeah. And being a comic. Yeah. As well.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Being a comic. Oh my word, Lolie.
Lolie Ware
You know?
Charles Adrian
Yes.
Lolie Ware
It's all... I... And being... I went from—obviously—trying to be a director...
Charles Adrian
Right.
Lolie Ware
... in film...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Very unsuitable.
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] ... which is a very unsuitable... totally unsuit... And I thought that the film industry was reasonably sexist.
Charles Adrian
Yes.
Lolie Ware
And then I thought I would go one better...
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Lolie Ware
... and I'd do stand-up comedy. And then I went one better...
Charles Adrian
Right.
Lolie Ware
... and I went to radio.
Charles Adrian
Uh huh. Yes.
Lolie Ware
So. And it's... Yeah, and I'm all about promoting the female voice in all its forms and, you know, it's very... It's very important—radio—to women. A lot of people don't seem to understand that we have our own issues in life and a lot of what we talk about and what we deal with is through the medium of radio.
Charles Adrian
Yeah. Well, I was going to say, I don't actually... I don't know the statistics—I don't have them at my fingertips—but I would guess that more than fifty percent of radio listeners are women.
Lolie Ware
Yes. Yeah. And it's... I think that it's... I'm 1-in-10 or 1-in-20 out of all breakfast shows.
Charles Adrian
That's extraordinary, isn't it. Yeah.
Lolie Ware
And I think I am the only woman on the planet to own three radio stations.
Charles Adrian
Right.
Lolie Ware
Pretty much.
Charles Adrian
Yeah. But it doesn't surprise me to hear that. It's terrible. Yeah.
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] Unless you're out there. Come and find me.
Charles Adrian
We need to look at your second book.
Lolie Ware
My second book is a little bit left...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] I mean the book that you're going to give to me.
Lolie Ware
Yes. But it's a little bit left field.
Charles Adrian
Okay.
Lolie Ware
Okay?
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Lolie Ware
Because it's a very...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Looking at it, yeah.
Lolie Ware
... very sentimental little book and it's—again—full of creases and it's slightly weathered and it's got this beautiful, kind of, yellowing to it. Again, I've probably had this with me—ooo!—for fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years.
Charles Adrian
Goodness me.
Lolie Ware
Right? And it is the Nicholson Mini Atlas of London. And it's LONDON IN YOUR POCKET.
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Lolie Ware
And the reason I chose this for you was because it's a brilliant little atlas that you can actually see all the street names and it's better than Google Maps.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Oh! Useful. Yes.
Lolie Ware
Much, much better. And I could sometimes sit on the tube and this is what I pull out and read. Because I think, ‘Where are all the fantastic places in London that I should go?’ And all the little mini streets. And it goes as far as Cricklewood and places like that.
Charles Adrian
How lovely.
Lolie Ware
But I used to carry this as a runner...
Charles Adrian
Oh yeah?
Lolie Ware
... going from one post-production house to another. And then I started taking it with me when I started doing London gigs.
Charles Adrian
Ah ha! Yeah.
Lolie Ware
And when your mobile phone dies you can still get to everywhere on time.
Charles Adrian
[appreciative] Mmm. You're amazing, Lolie.
Lolie Ware
So this is my gift.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] What are you going to read to us?
Lolie Ware
Well, again, I will read you the first page. This was first published in 1992. Second edition is 1993 and the copyright for Nicholson is 1993. So this is from 1993, this atlas. Okay? It's generated from the Bartholomew London Digital Database. Did you know that there was one? It's amazing.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] No, I've never heard of it.
Lolie Ware
The Audience [sic] Survey is not responsible for the accuracy of the National Grid on this publication.
London Underground Map may [sic] by permission of /London Regional Transport
LRT Registered User Number 93/1496
It was printed in the UK.
Great care has been taken throughout this atlas to be accurate, but the publishers cannot accept responsibility for any errors which appear on [sic] their consequences. Queries or information regarding Mini Atlas London should be addressed to the Publishing Manager, Nicholson, HarperCollins Published [sic], 77-85 Fulham Palace Road, Hammersmith, London, W6 8JB
All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored [laughs] in a retrieval system, or transmitted, in any form or by any means...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Including podcasts, [laughing] presumably.
Lolie Ware
[lauging] I know! And the reason I loved reading this was because I thought about Google Maps and I thought about everything else but I love the way it says that we will not take [sic] any consequences taken [sic] from what happens if you follow this book.
Charles Adrian
I think that's great. Yeah, no responsibility taken.
Lolie Ware
So I would love you to take this and love it with care.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] How are you going to find your way to gigs?
Lolie Ware
It's okay. I'm...
Charles Adrian
Get a replacement?
Lolie Ware
I'm going to get a replacement because I think that you get to have this. It might be slightly out of date.
Charles Adrian
Yeah. Some of those roads won't exist anymore but that's wonderful. And I bet...
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] Yeah. So.
Charles Adrian
Yeah. I love these old Tube maps as well.
Lolie Ware
So that's for you.
Charles Adrian
Wonderful. Oh, thank you so much. That's really...
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] That's all right.
Charles Adrian
And thank you for doing this. We should plug... So Gemm...
Lolie Ware
Gemm 3 is on The Radio Collective
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Gemm 3 is on The Radio Collective. So if you go to gemm3.com...
Lolie Ware
Yes, you will [indistinct]...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] ... all day is songs from the musicals.
Lolie Ware
Yes, that's right. And then from nine o'clock in the evening till eleven o'clock we have got the petulant child of Gemm 3, known as Gemm 3 and a half.
Charles Adrian
Which is... which is wonderful.
Lolie Ware
It is. It's... For two hours of pure unadulterated go... giggles—excuse me, goggles—giggles, same thing. And we play great hits from Victoria Wood, Billy Connolly... You name it, we've got it. And we have got some of the best comedy talents—and I'm not just saying that—around. And the reason that we came up with the idea was: sometimes you don't get to see true comedy anymore and I wanted a place to give performers the opportunity to find an audience. And radio was at the very start of the birth of comedy and I think it's a great medium so that's why I'm able to give spots to people who I adore and who make me giggle. So, yeah.
Charles Adrian
Oh thank you. I mean, I'm a huge fan of radio comedy so this is... it's been wonderful to...
Lolie Ware
It's...
Charles Adrian
... participate in this.
Lolie Ware
Yeah, it's bri... And I get to produce fabulous shows so that's a joy.
Charles Adrian
Um. Now, I was going to... If you hadn't suggested anything I was going to play The Armadillo now by Flanders and Swann because that's my favourite Flanders and Swann track.
Lolie Ware
That's a brilliant song.
Charles Adrian
It is a [laughing] wonderful, wonderful song.
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] [laughing] It's a brilliant song. I don't think we have that. I must get it on... yeah...
Charles Adrian
I've been waiting for it to come up on [laughing] Monday or Tuesday nights.
Lolie Ware
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
... and Samantha has suggested it a couple of times.
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] I know.
Lolie and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Lolie Ware
You might get it for Christmas.
Lolie and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
I've just been very subtly putting that in. But instead we're going to go with Led Zeppelin, who I'm not at all familiar with but I had heard of them. I know they are a band from the 80s. Is that right? Or the 70s?
Lolie Ware
No. 60s and 70s.
Charles Adrian
Oh goodness, they're older than I thought. Okay. [laughs]
Lolie Ware
[speaking over] And they are the originators of the air guitar.
Charles Adrian
No! Really?
Lolie Ware
Yes. Stairway to Heaven...
Charles Adrian
Oh goodness!
Lolie Ware
... and the air guitar. That's Led Zeppelin.
Charles Adrian
Oh, that's Led Zeppelin?
Lolie Ware
Yes. Every boy of a certain age...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Stairway to Heaven.
Lolie Ware
... knew how to woo somebody with air guitar and it's all coming back to you now, isn't it?
Charles Adrian
Well, I do... I do know Stairway to Heaven. Okay. But this isn't Stairway to Heaven. This is Ramble On, which is also lovely.
Lolie Ware
Yes.
Charles Adrian
Thank you so much for this, Lolie.
Lolie Ware
That's a pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.
Music
[Ramble On by Led Zeppelin]
[Initial transcription by https://otter.ai]