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(This episode is marked as explicit because of strong language and discussion of sex.)
Episode image is a detail from the cover of Cunt-Ups by Dodie Bellamy, published in 2001 by Tender Buttons; book design by Wayne Smith; cover art (Hedgehog Touching Herself) by Michelle Rollman.
Correction: Charles Adrian’s understanding of biology and how it interacts with sex and gender leaves something to be desired in this episode. Where he says “woman” and “man” during the discussion of clitorises, please substitute “people with clitorises” and “people with penises”.
Opening another season of Page One, Charles Adrian is joined by long-time collaborator Vera Chok to talk about reproduction, the ‘discovery’ of the clitoris and sex as prose poetry. Charles Adrian talks a certain amount of patronising rubbish about: the discovery of the clitoris and the controversy surrounding female souls as well as about the history and use of syllogisms.
You can find a Wikipedia article about the history of the ‘discovery’ of the clitoris here.
You can find an article on the question of whether or not women have souls here.
You can find a Wikpedia article on syllogisms here.
Some information about the performance of David Mamet’s All Men Are Whores that Vera directed and Charles Adrian performed in is here. Also involved in the performance were Michael Caines, who is featured in Page One 25, Gary Merry, who is featured in Page One 26, and Sarah Le Fevre, who is featured in Page One 34.
Cunt-Ups by Dodie Bellamy is also discussed in Page One 179.
This episode has been edited to remove music that is no longer covered by licence for this podcast.
This episode features a jingle written for the podcast by the band Friends Of Friends.
A transcript of this episode is below.
Episode released: 6th January, 2015.
Book listing:
All Men Are Whores by David Mamet
The Anatomist by Federico Andahazi (trans. Alberto Manguet)
Cunt-Ups by Dodie Bellamy
Other episodes featuring Vera Chok:
Page One 149
Page One 127
Page One 107
Page One 52
Page One 6
Links:
History of the ‘discovery’ of the clitoris on Wikipedia
Some information about syllogisms on Wikipedia
All Men Are Whores Anti-Valentine performance
Friends Of Friends on Soundcloud
Episode transcript:
Charles Adrian
Okay. Charles Adrian here. So, just before we start today I wanted to say please don't trust my explanations in this podcast too much. Much clearer and much more accurate histories of the discovery of the clitoris, of syllogisms, and of whether or not women have souls can be found online. So, please, if you're interested, follow the links provided in the notes. Thanks.
Charles Adrian
Hello and welcome to the 90th Page One. This is the 66th Second Hand Book Factory. I'm Charles Adrian and my guest today—for the third time—is...
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
[laughing] ... Vera Chok. Here's the jingle that you made for me.
Jingle
You're listening to Page One, the book podcast.
Charles Adrian
Hello Vera.
Vera Chok
Hello. Hi.
Charles Adrian
Thanks very much for joining me again. I felt like because we were starting a whole new... This is basically a new season of Page One.
Vera Chok
Yay!
Charles Adrian
I felt like you've been... You were the first guest of the first season, you were the first guest of the second season, you're the reason I do Page One anyway.
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
It would feel wrong not to have you as my first guest.
Vera Chok
Well, I'm very pleased because I've been missing it terribly and badgering you to bring it back.
Charles Adrian
I know. And I'm not promising that this is going to be as regular as it was in the past.
Vera Chok
Boo!
Charles Adrian
Yeah.
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
And this may... this may not... I don't know when this is going to go out. I'll have to make a decision.
Vera and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Vera Chok
It's because you're such a big deal and you're so busy being on the radio and travelling internationally. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Yes. Because I'm so busy. [laughs]
Vera Chok
Dealing with your fans. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
[laughing] Mmm. Yeah. Maybe. [laughs] How do you describe yourself at the moment?
Vera Chok
[laughs] Oh God. At the moment I am an actor and a writer. That's new.
Charles Adrian
That's exciting.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] The writing bit's new.
Charles Adrian
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I had that in the back of my head when I was choosing your... the book I'm giving to you.
Vera Chok
Oh God. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
I don't... We'll see how that goes. But what's the book that you've brought that you like.
Vera Chok
[breathes in] Mmm. Okay.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] And I notice you don't have any books.
Vera Chok
I do! They're hiding under the table.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Oh okay. Oh I see. Okay.
Vera Chok
Okay. Well, you'll know this. So this is a book that I like that I'm not going to give to you, right?
Charles Adrian
Yes, that's right. Yeah,
Vera Chok
[speaking over] Okay. So it's All Men Are Whores by David Mamet.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Oh!
Vera Chok
So it's a [with a questioning intonation] play...
Charles Adrian
Yeah that's...
Vera Chok
That's allowed.
Charles Adrian
... absolutely allowed. I mean, I don't think anyone else has brought a play. That's really exciting.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] I don't think they have. Yes. And it's... it's very unlike his other work, I think.
Charles Adrian
I don't know his work very well but I think you're probably...
sound
[something falling]
Vera Chok
Ooo!
Charles Adrian
From what I have seen you're probably right.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] Yeah, I think his other work is, sort of, like, snappy dialogue, men sitting around talking about manly things. I'm probably over... I really don't know his work but this one seems really like Wallace Shawn. A lot to do with sex and people in isolation and being... I don't know... intellectuals or whatever. Sort of, [laughing] like, burdened by the information...
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Vera Chok
... that they have and how to go through life. So I really love this piece and you were in this...
Charles Adrian
I can see you've... This is actually...
Vera Chok
This is possibly a copy that you've scribbled all over.
Charles Adrian
Yeah, that's my handwriting there.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] That's your handwriting.
Charles Adrian
Yeah. Why did I? I don't know why...
Vera Chok
[speaking over] I don't know.
Charles Adrian
... but this is obviously your directorial copy.
Vera Chok
Yes. And I must have lent this to you and then you wrote in it in pen.
Charles Adrian
Why?
Vera Chok
[laughs] It's fine.
Charles Adrian
You must have invited me to.
Vera Chok
Possibly... Maybe.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] I wouldn't have written on it just for...
Vera Chok
Maybe you thought it was... It doesn't matter.
Charles Adrian
Oh no, I feel like you're... you're...
Vera Chok
[laughs] I'm just joshing.
Charles Adrian
... telling me off...
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
... [laughing] in a very round about sort of way.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] No. Not at all.
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Vera Chok
I was just joking.
Charles Adrian
You've just brought this onto the podcast in order to vent your spleen...
Vera Chok
[laughs] Oh no, now you're doing...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] You must have been fuming about it for the last two or three years. [laughs]
Vera Chok
[speaking over] ... classic Adrian stuff of being [laughing] naughty and making me look like an anal person.
Vera and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Vera Chok
[laughing] But I love it. But anyway. Yes. You performed this beautifully when I, kind of, directed it.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] I really enjoyed this. I really enjoy being directed by you. This is obviously only the second time.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] All of the two times. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
But I... The first time was such a pleasure and this was also. I loved it.
Vera Chok
Aw.
Charles Adrian
I would like to be directed more by you.
Vera Chok
Cool. Well I still have The Blue Finch of Arabia...
Charles Adrian
Great.
Vera Chok
... which you need to be in at some point. But we'll see. I don't know whether I'm going to direct or when. Anyway.
Charles Adrian
No pressure.
Vera and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Vera Chok
I'm not sure it'll launch you. I don't know. I don't know what that will do for you apart from providing you with fun. Fun times.
Charles Adrian
Yeah but I think that's enough.
Vera Chok
Okay.
Charles Adrian
What..? Why don't you read us the first page of it?
Vera Chok
It's very short. I'm very bad at bringing you very short first pages but here we go.
ONE
Our concept of time is predicated upon our understanding of death.
Time passes solely because death ends time. Our understanding of death is arrived at, in the main, because of the nature of sexual reproduction.
Organisms which reproduce through fission do not “die.”
The stream of life, the continuation of the germ plasm, is unbroken.
Clearly.
Just as it is in the case of man.
But much less apparently so in our case. For we are sentient.
We are conscious of ourselves, and conscious of the schism in our sexuality.
And so we perceive time. And so we will do anything for some affection.
You... You played Sam, didn't you?
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Yes. Yes.
Vera Chok
I didn't say before I read it: I wasn't performing it. Because I just think the language on its own without being performed is so great.
Charles Adrian
I think it's a beautiful speech. I really enjoyed... I love the fact that I got to perform that speech but it... even now, while you read it, it's... it's very... I find it very fascinating and powerful, actually.
Vera Chok
[affirmative] Mmm. It's really sparse in its, sort of... It sets out all these ‘If A is B’... You know, it's very, sort of, logical and clean. But I just... a huge...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Yeah, it's, kind of... It's... Yes, yes, absolutely. [It] opens up a whole world to me about how we think of... yeah, what we... how we think of immortality as well and how we use the time that we have and what we think... and what is an individual? What do we mean by ‘us’? What do I mean by ‘me’? All those questions are inside there.
Vera Chok
Yeah. And I like how there's all this space and then it goes pshoo! tiny, tiny: ‘And so we'll do anything for affection.’ Which seems very, sort of, everyday and petty and—not petty... everyday and small and trivial. But there's... it's so true.
Charles Adrian
Yes.
Vera Chok
Or, well, I think it's true.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Yeah, me too. Me too. I think it's a big... yeah, it's a big driving force for a lot of people, which is... yeah [indistinct].
Vera Chok
I'm sure a lot of people will deny it. Or they don't see themselves in this...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Possibly. Or they find it so easy to get affection that it doesn't occur to them that they're chasing it.
Vera Chok
Who are those people, Adrian? [laughs]
Charles Adrian
[laughing] Those people exist.
Vera Chok
[laughing] I know. I'm kidd... I know. I know. Because I've been thinking a lot about this... these ideas because of what I'm writing at the moment, which is all pretty existential. And you've read drafts. And, sort of, I think there's a thread in the stuff that I do like, so, Wallace Shawn and I saw Ballet Turk recently. So, yeah, it's all existential stuff. And in a way, as a sort of... writing, starting out, you, kind of, go, ‘Oh God, I don't want to write heartbreak poetry or existential stuff’. Or when I wrote my first solo show, I'm, like, ‘Oh no’. You know. You have to get that crap out of your system [laughing] before you can write anything quote unquote proper. But I don't know. I think it's... I need to give myself permission to go, ‘This is the stuff I'm interested in’.
Charles Adrian
Yes.
Vera Chok
[makes dissatisfied sound]
Charles Adrian
Yes. Let's play... I'm going to play the first track that I've chosen from your list. So this is by Everything Everything and I'm trying to think what else I've heard by them. I have heard stuff by them but I don't know them very well and I certainly didn't know this. So this is MY KZ, UR BF [/maɪ kəz jər bəf/].
Vera and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Vera Chok
I think boyfriend. [saying the letters] B F.
Charles Adrian
Yeah, but how would you..
Vera Chok
[speaking over] But what about KZZZZZZZ [/kəzzzzzzz/].
Charles Adrian
Is it cousin?
Vera Chok
I don't know but I don't understand where the...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] It's [saying the letters] K Z.
Vera Chok
I know but where does it happen in the lyrics? I don't un... Young people might know.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] I don't know. Maybe the young people will know what that's about. [laughs]
Vera Chok
[laughs] [quietly] My...
Charles Adrian
But yes, MY KZ, UR BF [/maɪ kəz jər bəf/]. That's how I'm going to pronounce it.
Vera Chok
[laughing] Okay.
Music
[MY KZ, UR BF by Everything Everything]
Charles Adrian
Maybe he's talking about going out with his cousin's... like, having an affair with his cousin's girlfriend. It's: ‘My cousin's your boyfriend’.
Vera Chok
He... He... That is possible.
Charles Adrian
‘That's how we know each other.’
Vera and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
[laughing] I don't... Could be. Anyway. I like that. That's very nice. Thank you. Now, my book for you...
Vera Chok
Yay!
Charles Adrian
It's called The Anatomist. It's by Federico Andahazi. And I'm, kind of... I'm interested to know how you feel about this book in general. It's about the discovery of the clitoris.
Vera Chok
Ah.
Charles Adrian
The ‘discovery’ I put in quotation marks.
Vera Chok
Yes.
Charles Adrian
It's about the sixteenth century discovery of the clitoris. So if you read a Wikipedia history of the discovery of the clitoris you find out that it was discovered in fifteen-whatever by the guy that he talks about here and then it was discovered again in... I think in the nineteenth century, possibly, and then again in the late twentieth century.
Vera Chok
[laughing] Okay.
Charles Adrian
It's a weird kind of... It hops. And then in the between times it's apparently undiscovered. And it's only very recently that people have really researched what happens with the tissue that starts with what we call clitoris.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] Oh. Okay. Right.
Charles Adrian
And I've seen... you know, I've seen diagrams recently showing the extent of this tissue. It's all erectile tissue and it's all sensitive and it's quite large and it surrounds... it goes in two... Do you know this?
Vera Chok
No... Er, no.
Charles Adrian
I feel like you should...
Vera Chok
[laughing] I feel like I should.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] It goes... So the end is really just.. it's what becomes... The end of the clitoris, to give you... Okay, look away now, guys. If you don't want an anatomical...
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
It's.. It's... It forms after very few weeks in the womb and in men that becomes the penis and in women it just... it becomes the clitoris. And so inside you have... in women it develops this, kind of... these two branches that surround the vagina.
Vera Chok
Oh. Okay.
Charles Adrian
Or the... Maybe vagina's not the right word. Yeah, I think the vagina. Anyway you should look up diagrams. It's quite interesting.
Vera Chok
Okay.
Charles Adrian
And that's only... What I find particularly interesting, I think, is that that's only a very recent discovery, all of that, kind of, tissue. I think before people weren't really interested. And in the time that he's talking about here, of course, you've got questions of how the church reacts to the knowledge that women experience sexual pleasure and that it is something that has a physical root.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] How bizarre. But it's... But surely women were having orgasms before the church...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] They must have been. They must have been.
Vera Chok
[laughing] So... What? I don't understand.
Charles Adrian
Yeah. Well, it's... I think it's really interesting because it has to do with this, kind of, burying of knowledge that happens all the time, which I think is... I think it's fascinating.
Vera Chok
[musing] Hmm.
Charles Adrian
But yes, at this... at this point, obviously, there must have been... even in sixteenth-century Europe people must have known about the [laughing] clitoris just from lived experience. But officially it didn't exist and officially women didn't experience sexual pleasure. Officially women didn't have souls, I think, at this point.
Vera Chok
Oh.
Charles Adrian
Well, it was still under discussion.
Vera Chok
[laughing] Okay.
Charles Adrian
So there's all of... You know, all of that is, kind of... And he's talking about a time—he says this in the first page... And, I mean, I'm interested that this is written by a man. I think... You know, it's about... It's written by a man about a man discovering... So it's very much about the male experience of the clitoris, I suppose, as a way of controlling female pleasure as well. And then, through that, controlling their hearts,
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
So it's also about male domination of women to some extent.
Vera Chok
Fantastic.
Charles Adrian
And I thought it might be... Because I know that part of your practice at the moment is to take...
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
... phrases and quotations from books and I think there might be the odd phrase or quotation from here.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] No, I'm not... Oh. Okay. Yes.
Charles Adrian
Are you stopping doing that? I like that.
Vera Chok
Oh no, that is my practice, I guess.
Charles Adrian
But I think there might be some language in here or some stuff that you would react to either positively or negatively and it could be interesting.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] Well, no, I suppose I was just being silly, as in, like, I really can't keep redrafting my... I am going to redraft my current piece but it has to...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] It doesn't have to be this piece.
Vera Chok
I know. [laughing] It has to stop somewhere.
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Vera Chok
But yes.
Charles Adrian
Okay, I'm going to read you the first page.
Vera Chok
I'm excited.
Charles Adrian
The dawn of observation
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
This is from the... [laughs]
Vera Chok
I'm a child, by the way.
Charles Adrian
... the foreword. Good.
Vera Chok
[laughing] Okay.
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
“Oh, my America, my new found land,” Mateo Renaldo [sic] Colombo (or Columbus, to give him his English name) might have written in his De re anatomica. Not a boastful cry like Eureka!, but rather a mournful lament, a bitter parody of his own misadventures and misfortunes compared to his Genoese namesake, Christopher. The same surname and, perhaps, the same destiny. But they share no common blood and the death of one takes place barely ten years after the birth of the other. Mateo's “America” is less distant and infinitely smaller than Christopher's; in fact, it's not much larger than the head of a nail. And yet it was to remain secreted away until the year of the death of its discoverer and, in spite of its insignificant size, its discovery was equally momentous and disturbing.
It is the age of the Renaissance. The verb is to discover. It is the twilight of pure a priori speculation and the abuse of...
And the next word is ‘syllogism’ I'm going to say.
Vera Chok
Yeah, I had to look up ‘syllogism’ yesterday and it didn't help me. I've encountered it several times in the last week.
Charles Adrian
It's a system of logic that goes from... essentially from written sentences. So you have one sentence which you accept is true and then a second sentence which you accept is true and therefore your third sentence follows logically from the first two. And that can—used badly—exclude any lived experience, any, kind of, actual investigation of the world. So you have that... If you read Thomas Aquinas, his whole method of arguing about religion and how we... how the world is, how God is, how angels behave... it's all syllogisms. [You] say, ‘We accept that God is love and love is good, therefore God is good’. That's the kind of...
Vera Chok
[speaking over] Right. Right. Okay.
Charles Adrian
And that's un... You can't unpick that until you start to say, ‘Well, I... How did you arrive at your phrase God is love?’ [indistinct].
Vera Chok
[speaking over] So is it always connected to philosophy and, sort of, philosophisng?
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Yes, more or less. But also science. It's to do with...
Vera Chok
[speaking over] And so therefore it's bad?
Charles Adrian
No, no, it's... I think when used badly it's... it's... it leads to nonsense.
Vera Chok
[affirmative] Mmm hmm.
Charles Adrian
When you don't investigate clearly where your first two terms are coming from.
Vera Chok
Okay.
Charles Adrian
So, I mean it's... Especially in the, kind of, mediaeval church atmosphere you've got this acceptance of authority. So if Aristotle says something, that is your authority and you don't need to look any further. You just take something that he says and that is your... that then becomes your creed.
Vera Chok
Okay.
Charles Adrian
So that's... I mean, that's where... But it's interesting because I wanted to say earlier your Mamet first page is a little bit syllogistic.
Vera Chok
Yes! I was just going to say, sort of... Yeah.
Charles Adrian
It has that... It has that... And it's a very persuasive way of arguing. You say, ‘We accept this, therefore we accept this, therefore we accept this...’ da da da da da da da da. And it's how a lot of politicians argue. It's how a lot of... You know, it's a very easy way... Because you can't... It's difficult to see where you can snip the thread between the two and then you suddenly get... You know, your conclusion is, ‘All poor people are feckless’. And you go, ‘Oh, wait, hang on, er...’
Vera Chok
[speaking over] Er... And it's too late. Too late! [laughing]
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, yeah, I think it's interesting.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] Thank you so much.
Charles Adrian
And this guy is upsetting everybody because he's actually looking at women's bodies rather than discussing dryly how women are based on authoritative sources and the Bible. But we need to move on.
Vera Chok
Oh okay.
Charles Adrian
I'm sorry.
Vera Chok
Yes. No.
Charles Adrian
You have to give me the book that you're...
Vera Chok
Oh crap. Okay, so I've got... Oh, it's explicit. Warning! Warning! [laughs]
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] That's absolutely fine. I think this is already getting an ‘E’ rating, this... [laughing] this podcast.
Vera Chok
It's Cunt-Ups by Dodie Bellamy.
Charles Adrian
Ah. Such a great title.
Vera Chok
I'm just going to read and then we can talk about it. It's got a hedgehog with boobs on the cover.
Charles Adrian
[laughing] I love it!
Vera and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Vera Chok
Okay. Oh, can I cheat?
Charles Adrian
Yes.
Vera Chok
Okay.
ONE
Without its shell, but it's tubular, like most and I was raised there and attended and we fall asleep together. I'll wake you up when you pinch my nipple, I'll look back at you when you tell me to rub cum juice on my living. Will you accept my pussy for your subject states? I was raised—think of it as yours. Would you do it? I consider myself to be an atheist, I admit I pussy weep. Would you feel okay about states? I am currently on probation for thoughts mushy and oozing like runny yolks, thoughts about age and ass. Would you prefer me to suck your clit, hiker, whom I described as a male with lips? Yes, I would fuck you back, yes, you had homosexual sex with me and states sexy. You are such a romantic. You can state we got into a physical fight, you can hang there with my balls, you can, and during the fight you stated your cock could slide up anything you want blow of the barbell ’cause you can't help it now, it's magic, you've got to blur, I'm moving so fast. You don't know how infinite the course of my humiliations for you, singing actually—torch songs of nullity of being / being outside my kind of love, the kind of love the top of the wall carved a hole in. The rock. They opened the door and tied me down, a runnel of water / a returned letter. They tied me down, and I let a turd, the hard absolute hostility of slaves, the infinite partition of waiting because my eyes were too wide. I was Jesus, see the dark figure in the empty room alone, all fours tied, cakes, one arm out of the leather. Then I got a foot out and I couldn't decide whether I had turned in the electric symbols. I knew you were there outside in the black black black cell of rock. What else do you want to know about me the rock well walls of rock I'm yours. Chinks of light. When I was in SF again I [sic] thought I was your wall of light. UFOs set up a landing near the wailing wall, cement pads. I painted pictures because I reached the hall of the Double Rhino, I walked around a government building, ripped leaves from the trees and wrote down that I had so many choices.
Charles Adrian
Oh wow. [laughs]
Vera Chok
[laughs] I'm sorry. That is probably a bit impenetrable.
Charles Adrian
It's... and we don't have time to...
Vera Chok
No.
Charles Adrian
... unpick it.
Vera Chok
Oh no. I'm so sorry.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] We're just gonna have to leave it but it's... it's wonderful. It's just... yeah, a tapestry of words.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] I think everyone should, kind of, just look at it.
Charles Adrian
Yes.
Vera Chok
It really did change my mind and there's, sort of... you don't know whether the writer... the voice is male or female. They keep changing. It's pose... prose poetry and it's har... it is difficult because you go, ‘What's the relationship between one to the other?’ And it's just... there's no narrative. But there is... there are threads through and it's pretty much about existence and relationships as well even though... yeah...
Charles Adrian
I like it. Thank you. I'm going... I think I'm going to enjoy it.
Vera Chok
Yay!
Charles Adrian
But now I'm going to... we're going to play out...
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
Does that work as, like, a usage of that...
Vera Chok
Yes, I think so.
Charles Adrian
... phrase? [laughs] I've chosen Drinking in L.A.
Vera Chok
Yay! We listened to this on Arran, didn't we?
Charles Adrian
Did we?
Vera Chok
Yes. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
Yes we did! And I liked it when I was younger. And I remember this is... it was where I learned the word ‘bubkes’.
Vera Chok
[whispering] What does that mean?
Charles Adrian
It means ‘nothing’. But I thought it was ‘butt kiss’...
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
... for years because it sou... when they sing it, it sounds like ‘butt kiss’.
Vera Chok
I haven't noticed. Let's...
Charles Adrian
But listen to it.
Vera Chok
... listen for [laughing] ‘butt kiss’.
Charles Adrian
[laughs] Thank you so much Vera.
Vera Chok
Oh! Again! I wish I had...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] It's been lovely.
Vera Chok
Anyway. I wish I had read better and been more articulate but hey.
Charles Adrian
It's okay. You can... We've... Next year.
Vera Chok
[I'll] always be in your shadow.
Vera and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Vera Chok
[laughing] There's always next year.
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Vera Chok
I won't be any more prepared.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Little by little. Always getting better.
Vera and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
This is Drinking in L.A. by Bran Van 3000.
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Music
[Drinking in L.A. by Bran Van 3000]
[Initial transcription by https://otter.ai]